Hi,
We're looking at buying a JR East pass for a holiday later in January, but I'm not sure whether we can use the pass to travel from Nagano to Kyoto. From what I can see, you can't use a JR Pass on either a Nozomi or Hikari, yet most of the options seem to involve a transfer to one of these trains - either from Tokyo or Nagoya.
How do people typically get from either Nagano or Tokyo to Kyoto with a JR pass, while avoiding Nozomi / Hikari?
Thanks in advance!
Claire.